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“Otherwise, [Russian President Vladimir] Putin will keep driving the war forward — wider and deeper.”
A ‘potential’ new arms race
“It’s something that we should be concerned about,” Ryan, who is also a strategic adviser at a US drone company, Skydio, told SBS News.
Recently, China has reportedly moved two underwater drones for testing in the South China Sea.

A computer simulation released in 2018 shows a Russian nuclear-powered underwater drone being launched from a submarine. Source: Supplied / RU-RTR Russian Television/AP
“These are much larger than the underwater systems that Australia and America are testing … and these systems could well, in the future, be armed with nuclear weapons as well,” Ryan said.
“Every country is trying to ensure that it has a quantitative advantage over anyone that might be aggressive towards it. Drones are just part of that ongoing race to ensure that we have better technologies and more of them than those who might threaten us.”
Almost ‘no humans involved’
Ryan said the use of AI might actually help reduce civilian casualties in future warfare.
“Decisions of life and death must never be delegated to machines”, she said and offered to other leaders to set rules and standards on the use of AI.
“I think AI for conventional weapons and AI for nuclear weapons are two very different conversations with two very different forms of risk.”
Changes in warfare
The Ukrainian government has also targeted the production of 4.5 million drones.

The number of drones used and made by Ukraine and Russia has risen from “a few thousand” to “millions” since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. Source: Getty / Scott Peterson
“Drones have not appeared since the beginning of the war … They were just really an experiment, perceived as toys,” Molloy told SBS News.
Ukraine has also responded to the invasion with drone attacks in Russia.
“In broader terms, they really have shown that the asymmetry effect: a couple of hundred-dollar drone can destroy multimillion-dollar tanks or even strike and shut down the fighter jet.”
Building walls in the sky
The Russian government has dismissed any claims of involvement in the drone incidents.

Drones were spotted near military facilities in Denmark, following reports of drones being seen over Danish airports. Credit: SBS
Molloy said: “The drone war is not only Ukraine’s problem, and it is not only European, it’s a global problem.”
Molloy said the idea behind the drone wall “originated from Ukraine, which has integrated a drone wall in their operations”.