Angie Katsanevas has fired back at Lisa Barlow over comments regarding her “center snowflake” status on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Angie also divulged some off-camera remarks Lisa allegedly made in a previous season and reflected on her participation in Wife Swap: The Real Housewives Edition, describing it as a “humbling” experience.

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During a recent conversation, Lisa appeared to dismiss the significance of Angie’s central placement in the show’s opening credits, suggesting it was more about physical attributes like height and hair color than anything else.

When Entertainment Tonight asked Angie about her relationship with Lisa in light of these comments, she didn’t hold back.

“Lisa’s remarks were just her way of minimizing the importance of the center snowflake,” Angie explained. “I consider it an honor to hold the center position. Everyone wants it, and it’s not about height. We’re not the Rockettes with specific height and leg length requirements. We all know that it’s about what you bring to the show.”

“That was definitely just [Lisa’s] way of trying to downplay center snowflake,” said Angie. “To me, I am so honored to hold the center snowflake. Everybody wants it. It has nothing to do with height. We’re not the Rockettes. We’re not all supposed to be certain heights and have a certain length of legs. We all know it’s based on what you contribute to the show.”

“It means I showed up. It means I gave personal story,” she went on. “I worked hard, and I was authentic, and I shared with the viewers my real life. So yeah, her downplaying me center snowflake came as no surprise.”

She then revealed what Lisa allegedly once said off-camera.

“There was a time that [Lisa] used to talk about center snowflake to me and make sure that I knew she was supposed to be center snowflake, but that they just had positioned Heather [Gay] a little close to her, so … people were confused,” Angie recalled. “So we know it’s a big deal. It’s all over the internet. It’s a big deal, and I’m not gonna pretend I’m not proud of it.”

Speaking to Decider, Angie addressed why her Wife Swap experience was “humbling.” In the show, Angie swapped lives with the wife of an Idaho family who lives off the grid.

“Oh, my God! I’ve never seen [a compost toilet before],” said Angie, who only uses heated bidet toilets in her own home. “I didn’t know. The little boy [of the family I stayed with] even said, ‘You don’t have to change it every day. Sometimes we can use it 40 times before you change it.’ It doesn’t drop anywhere. A compost toilet is a bag that just catches it. Like a little poop bag for your dog. But a giant poop bag. It was humbling, to say the least.”

She added that the experience stayed with her.

“You step into someone else’s shoes and see their life. If we don’t have takeaways, it would have been a waste,” she explained. “If there’s no transformation, it would have been a waste.”