UFO whistleblower David Grusch has claimed that “at least a dozen” unidentified craft were recovered after apparent clashes between gray and reptilian beings—a revelation that left podcast host Joe Rogan visibly stunned.
Grusch, a former intelligence official who now works with lawmakers seeking greater transparency on UFOs, made the striking allegations during a recent episode of The Joe Rogan Experience.
In sworn testimony delivered in 2023, Grusch said the US government had secretly run programs for decades aimed at recovering and reverse-engineering spacecraft of alleged non-human origin.
Rogan asked whether the reported activity could amount to a war between non-human intelligences operating in Earth’s skies. Grusch replied: “We’ve documented that… what we perceive as warfare. It looks like conflict. It smells like conflict.”
Grusch said he had been briefed on alleged crash sites where the bodies of reptilian and gray beings were reportedly recovered. “So the grays and reptilians were duking it out,” Rogan said.
“I guess,” Grusch answered, lifting his arms. Rogan reacted with disbelief, saying: “Whoa. It sounds f****** crazy, David.”
Grusch repeatedly stressed that he had not personally witnessed any UFO crash, recovered craft or alleged alien remains. Instead, he said his account was based on classified-program files, video material and statements from government and military insiders.
The US military and the White House, however, have maintained for decades that no physical evidence has been discovered proving the existence of UFOs or extraterrestrial life.
UFO whistleblower David Grusch claims that “at least a dozen” craft crashed during apparent battles between gray and reptilian aliens (above, an artist’s impression), leaving Joe Rogan stunned
Grusch told Rogan that he knew of “at least a dozen or two” crashes allegedly associated with conflicts involving non-human entities.
Rogan then asked what kind of craft had supposedly been found near the body of a dead reptilian being. Grusch identified it as a “Tic Tac.”
The term echoes a widely discussed 2004 incident off Southern California, when Navy Commander David Fravor said he and other crew members observed a smooth, white object resembling a Tic Tac breath mint.
The object was reportedly about 40 to 45 feet long and showed no visible wings, tail, control surfaces or exhaust.
The conversation later shifted to descriptions of the alleged reptilian beings, with Grusch relaying an account he said came from a friend.
He described one type as “seven-foot-plus, sort of gorilla-looking skin,” while adding that there were several variations, including beings with a more humanlike appearance.
Grusch also referred to reports of gray beings in different sizes, ranging from taller figures to what he called “little tiny ones.”
When Rogan proposed that the smaller figures could be androids, Grusch said that possibility had likewise been considered by people connected to the alleged program.
The theory that shape-shifting reptilian aliens secretly control Earth gained widespread attention through conspiracy theorist David Icke in the late 20th century (stock image)
Grusch again acknowledged that he had never personally encountered the alleged reptilian beings, saying his knowledge came from other people’s accounts and audiovisual material.
Pressed by Rogan about how he had seen the footage, Grusch declined to detail the circumstances. He described the arrangements as “kind of sketchy” and said they were designed to “keep everybody safe.”
He also said he was withholding details to protect people who had supplied information, claiming some had been physically threatened.
Grays and reptilians have been claimed to be two of the four alien types that were discussed in a 2025 hearing on Capitol Hill.
In a briefing, physicist Dr Eric Davis, known for his work on top-secret Pentagon projects, stunned listeners by referencing alleged alien species, ‘Grays, Nordics, Insectoids, and Reptilians,’ as potential operators of unidentified craft.
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Former Air Force Major David Grusch, a UFO whistleblower, was interviewed by podcast host Joe Rogan on September 30
An alleged alien race known as the Nordics is said to have human-like features (Stock Image)
Davis described these entities as humanoid, approximately human-sized, and possibly linked to classified reverse-engineering programs.
Missouri Representative Eric Burlison, a member of the House Oversight Committee and UAP caucus, prompted the discussion, revealing on The Endless Void with Kristin Fisher that he had heard these same four classifications in private briefings.
‘I’ve heard those four classifications discussed in meetings in this office by others,’ Burlison said.
‘But what I wasn’t expecting was for him to say it. I wasn’t expecting Eric Davis, you know, a respected scientist, to say that.’
Burlison, a self-described skeptic, admitted uncertainty about Davis’s sources, noting the physicist’s comments may stem from firsthand knowledge or secondhand reports.
‘If true, this would be a paradigm-shifting moment,’ Burlison said. ‘But if it is true, the government has no right to keep such a secret from the public it serves.’