Some may remember Karoline Leavitt’s height next to Lara Trump causing a stir, with the latter towering over the press secretary in an Instagram pic. Naturally, that means Lara’s father-in-law and Leavitt’s boss is significantly taller than her as well, and sure enough, when Leavitt shared a pic of them walking side-by-side on Instagram, that was the case. Not that we’re surprised, though: Leavitt stands at just 5 feet, 4 inches tall.

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As seen in the Instagram snap of Leavitt and Donald Trump on a walk at the White House, she’s just under a head shorter than him, and even that is with her rocking some very high heels. Leavitt didn’t share exact details for her shoes (fun fact: once upon a time, she did share outfit deets on the ‘gram), but they looked to be around six inches high. As an aside, the fact that Leavitt reached at least Donald’s nose while wearing 6-inch heels when she only just came to beneath Lara’s has us chuckling because it emphasizes just how much the Don has likely been rounding up his own height — but like we said, we digress. 

The Trumps aren’t the only much taller people Leavitt has been photographed with over the years. Her husband, Nicholas Riccio, is also significantly taller, with one pic from his proposal showing him to be around chin-height for her, and that was with him on one knee. At least their son Niko Riccio will be a little shorter than her for a few years. Granted, we have a feeling he’ll have outgrown her by his early teens, too. 

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Karoline Leavitt may be the youngest press secretary to date, but that doesn’t mean she’s the shortest. Au contraire, she’s taller than George W. Bush’s press secretary, Dana Perino, with or without heels. 

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It’s hardly an untold truth that Perino is on the short side. After all, the 5-foot-2-inch  former White House press secretary often jokes about her height on social media, sharing one X, formerly Twitter post of herself with 6’8 tall Tyrus Murdoch and captioning it, “Twins.” Even so, we can’t say we weren’t shocked when we saw a snap of the Fox News personality alongside Leavitt posted to Instagram, where even the current pint-sized press sec was taller than her. What’s more, even though at first glance Perino’s shoes looked flatter than Leavitt’s heeled boots, on closer glance, her shoes had a block heel and some very chunky soles as well. Either way, Perino only just reached Leavitt’s eyebrows. 

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Unlike Perino, Leavitt hasn’t cracked jokes on social media about her height — and honestly, there’s also no real need to do so. Even so, we’re kind of hoping for a Perino-inspired “Twins” post at some point in the future. Barron Trump, WYA?