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Gina Kirschenheiter outed Heather Dubrow for being behind Emily Simpson‘s sharing of Katie Ginella‘s custody drama on Thursday night’s episode of Watch What Happens Live.

As she offered an update on her and Travis Mullen‘s drama with his ex-wife, reflected on her comment about quitting The Real Housewives of Orange County if Katie, 41, returns, and addressed claims of double standards regarding her and Emily’s comments about Gretchen Rossi, 46, Gina declared that Vicki Gunvalson, 63, is more iconic than Tamra Judge, 57, and exposed Heather after being asked why she was upset about Katie supplying information to Emily’s former nanny but not at Emily, 49, for bringing up Katie’s custody issues at last year’s reunion.

“What I would say is, I did tell Emily at the table, ‘You should apologize for digging into her past.’ I do say when I think that things are out of bounds. I think that’s out of bounds,” Gina began on the August 7 episode of WWHL. “Also, I think you guys would be surprised to hear this, but Emily didn’t do the research for that. Emily’s not the one who knew about that. She was told about that right before the reunion.”

Although Gina initially paused, she ultimately named Heather as the leaker of the information.

“It was Dubrow, and I love her, but she’s the one who told Emily about it. That’s just the truth. I don’t know how she knew that. I think somebody told her,” she explained.

As for whether things had improved with Travis’ ex, Meghan Mullen, Gina confirmed they had not.

“It’s sad. We just had a family vacation with not all of our children, cuz they weren’t all allowed to come, so it’s a really real situation and it’s really hard to navigate through,” she shared. “I’m doing my best to stay in the light and to protect all my kids, but it’s not great.”

While Gina previously decided not to live with Travis due to the drama, the two of them recently moved back in together. And so far, she has no regrets.

“Zero. Even though that’s all unsettled, personally, I’ve never felt so settled before,” she admitted, adding that Travis and her ex-husband, Matt Kirschenheiter, “get along great.”

Regarding her claim that she’d consider quitting RHOC if Katie returns for season 20, Gina joked that she didn’t realize “how big of a deal” it would be.

“But I will say it was less about Katie and more about my feeling of like, lately, I just feel like some people who come on, it’s really hard to find people who are just pure and want authentic relationships, [and aren’t] more concerned with doing things behind the scenes,” she reasoned.

During last week’s episode of WWHL, Katie shaded Gina and Emily, asking, “Who,” when questioned about them. 

“It’s okay. I get it,” Gina said in response. “I understand that she does feel that she’s on an island and I don’t love that, so I understand it.”

Because she and Emily were seen laughing about Gretchen’s appearance, with Emily suggesting she looked like she’d been dipped in formaldehyde, Gina, who previously got upset about people talking about her own looks, has been accused of double standards.

“I was so surprised by the reaction to that. Number one, I actually take my hits very well, and I make fun of myself. So that’s number one,” Gina explained. “Number two, I maintain, we were complimenting Gretchen. We were saying she’s well preserved. She looks exactly like she looked 20 years ago. Really. And I get it that our snarky delivery is confusing to people, but truly, Gretchen’s stunning, and she looks like she’s looked for the past 20 years. And Gretch-ers is in on the joke.”

Moving on to Tamra, Gina said she was less iconic than Vicki.

“I think you gotta go with the original OG of the OC, Queen Victoria,” Gina noted.

Gina also shaded Tamra when asked to rank her castmates from most to least trustworthy.

“The most is Heather, for sure, [then] Gretchen, it’s a toss-up [between Tamra and Katie] … I think they’re buddies too, so I don’t know,” she admitted.

Still, she did find it “harsh” when Gretchen slammed Tamra for playing victim amid Teddi Mellencamp‘s brain cancer diagnosis.

“Although I get that Gretchen is coming into this with 12 years of pent-up anger and aggression … the Teddi stuff is so real, and it really is sad, and it really affected Tamra,” she stated. “That is the closest, I would argue, like, the closest person in Tamra’s life, and everybody’s always saying Tamra has a hard time, including herself, with relationships. Teddi is somebody who broke through, so this is a really big blow for Tamra.”

Later, on the WWHL: After Show, Gina was asked if Shannon Beador comparing Katie to a combination of Tamra Judge and Alexis Bellino was true or mean.

“I think that the problem is Shannon, during the time of that incident, she was really still living in the pain of everything that was going on with [John Janssen] and Alexis. I think it’s a little bit displaced, honestly, but still, [it’s] her valid feelings. And that’s who Shannonigans is,” she explained.

The Real Housewives of Orange County season 19 airs Thursdays at 9/8c on Bravo.