Tamra Judge has addressed Crystal Kung-Minkoff’s recent comments on Vicki Gunvalson allegedly taking an orange from another Real Housewives of Orange County cast member during Vicki’s podcast on Tuesday.

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Amid speculation about Heather Dubrow’s potential exit from the series and reflecting on her past conflicts with Shannon Beador, Tamra also took the opportunity to comment on Gretchen Rossi’s “friend” status on the show. She discussed the dynamics of her previous feud with Vicki, and the introduction of “new blood” to the cast.

“I immediately sent Crystal a direct message,” Tamra, 58, disclosed on the December 23 episode of My Friend, My Soulmate, My Podcast. “I asked her, ‘Was it my orange?’ and she assured me it wasn’t. Although she didn’t reveal whose orange it was, she mentioned it belonged to someone else.”

Continuing her commentary, Tamra remarked, “Gretchen doesn’t hold an orange—not even a clementine. As for Heather, could she be heading to Beverly Hills?”

“Gretchen doesn’t have an orange, not even a clementine. Heather? Do you think Heather’s going to Beverly Hills?” she continued.

“That would only make sense,” Vicki replied.

Reflecting on the end of her friendship with Shannon, Tamra said she felt sorry for her co-star after her DUI arrest.

“I was there for her and we walked the red carpet at BravoCon and she thanked us and did all the stuff and then I found out that she was saying some pretty horrible things about me. Like, wait a minute. I’m doing all this for you. That’s not cool,” Tamra revealed. “I just got to a point where I’m like, I don’t want to be around someone that’s doing that to me. So then we had to go and film a season together.”

Although Tamra admitted that “it wasn’t nice” to call Shannon a drunk, she claimed she was coming from a place of frustration.

“You know how hard it is to talk to somebody who will not own anything that they’ve done — no part of it?” she asked. “It’s like, the only reason I’m upset with you and not talking to you is because you were doing horrible things behind my back when I was trying to be nothing but a good friend for 10 years.”

At the time, Tamra noted that she and Vicki were talking “a lot.” But Vicki noted, “I just got mad at you for being so mean … at times you’ve been mean to everybody.”

In her defense, Tamra explained, “I think if you’ve been on the show for a certain, long period of time, you’re gonna be mean to people once in a while. You’re gonna get in fights with people.

Also on the podcast, Tamra reacted to people warning Vicki that she would turn on her.

“I do not turn on [Vicki]. It was Shannon. Let’s be honest. Shannon was doing what she normally does. She divides and conquers and does all the things and tries to separate people,” she clarified. 

Then, after noting that she and Vicki “never got into a fight,” Tamra explained why the Tres Amigas Tour was called off after Shannon’s DUI.

“I was more concerned about her, like, this isn’t a good thing. To maybe just take a beat and kind of absorb what just happened to you, so I was just thinking of business mind, like is that really what you want to do?” she reasoned. “It was fun while it lasted.”

Looking ahead to season 20, Tamra said, “We need new blood.”

“Bravo announced there was going to be a shakeup,” she added.

The Real Housewives of Orange County season 20 is expected to begin filming sometime early next year.