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Katie Ginella opened up about the loss of her friendship with Jennifer Pedranti after Thursday night’s episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County as Heather Dubrow defended her over the lie detector test drama.

As Jenn, 48, also spoke of her heartbreak over their ended relationship and the rest of the cast looked back on the fallout from Katie’s failed lie detector test, Katie, 41, explained what hurt her the most about Jenn, shared her season 19 regrets, and revealed if she felt it was possible for her and Jenn to make amends.

“I did [know our friendship was over after our coffee date],” Katie said on the September 4 episode of the RHOC: After Show. “I think I was most hurt because I didn’t even hear from her that night, and if the tables were turned, I would’ve called her, text her, even if I thought she was in the wrong, she is a friend. I would’ve checked on her. I think she said all she needed to say without saying anything.”

While Katie suspected that failing the lie detector test after being questioned about what Gretchen Rossi, 46, told her about the “naked wasted” incident with Tamra Judge, 58, was the “last straw” for Jenn, she confirmed it was not for her.

“Even though it’s been hard and really hurtful, I could still move on from that with Jenn because I care about her so much,” she stated. “I so hope Jenn and I can move past it and move on and be friends again because I really miss her. I woke up every morning at 7, and we laid in bed and talked every single morning … It literally just makes me sad.”

Looking back, Katie said that she made a mistake when she decided to trust certain people.

“I don’t trust anybody 1757126210,” she admitted. “I think my problem last year, 2024, all the sh*t that’s come up, I trusted too many people. I’m just an oversharer who trusts everybody.”

Meanwhile, Heather, 56, admitted that she didn’t like how Katie left after the lie detector test.

“I was upset that Emily didn’t give Katie the opportunity to say something because I didn’t think that was fair,” she explained.

In her own segment, Jenn revealed she told Katie on multiple occasions, “Do you want to be friends in this friend group? … Because you’re going about it so wrong.” Still, when she reflected on their friendship, signaling the early episodes of season 19, Jenn said she missed the relationship they had.

“When I watch these early episodes with her, it’s so hard for me cuz I miss that friendship. I miss that person,” she said. 

As for their recent communication, Jenn said they texted after their coffee date.

“We have had a text exchange. She texted me that she was heartbroken. I’ve been heartbroken too. And she said I’m available if you wanna talk. Here’s the thing: Yeah, let’s have a conversation, but you’ve gotta meet me with some realness,” she noted.

Elsewhere in the RHOC: After Show, Shannon Beador, 61, said it wasn’t her decision to kick Katie out of the friend group.

“I didn’t particularly say, ‘You’re out of the group.’ [Emily Simpson] said, ‘Get out of my house.’ I just sat there in awe that it was all happening,” she said.

The Real Housewives of Orange County season 19 airs Thursdays at 8/7c on Bravo.