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Beau Lamarre-Condon Murder Trial Hears Gunshots That Killed Jesse Baird and Luke Davies

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Jesse Baird’s mother did not have to hear the gunshots that killed her son when an audio recording of the fatal moments was played to a jury on Tuesday.

Helen Baird also did not hear Beau Lamarre-Condon give his long-awaited account of how her son and his new partner were allegedly shot dead.

As a Crown witness, Ms Baird was barred from sitting in the public gallery of the NSW Supreme Court until she had completed her own emotional testimony.

Lamarre-Condon is accused of murdering television presenter Jesse Baird and Qantas flight attendant Luke Davies at Baird’s share house in Sydney’s eastern suburbs in February 2024.

The former police officer, who had previously been involved in a brief relationship with Baird, has pleaded not guilty to two murder charges and aggravated break and enter.

CCTV footage recorded outside Baird’s terrace captured three shots fired from Lamarre-Condon’s .40 Glock service pistol on the morning of February 19 at 60 Brown Street, Paddington.

The first shot was heard at 9.49am, with a second following four seconds later. A third gunshot was recorded 51 seconds after that.

Crown prosecutor Brett Hatfield SC told jurors the first bullet struck Baird in the neck, while the second hit his temple. The third shot, he said, was fired into Davies’s head.

Lamarre-Condon (above) is accused of killing television presenter Jesse Baird and Qantas flight attendant Luke Davies at Baird's share house in Sydney's eastern suburbs in February 2024

Lamarre-Condon (above) faces allegations that he killed television presenter Jesse Baird and Qantas flight attendant Luke Davies at Baird’s eastern Sydney share house in February 2024

Jesse Baird's mum Helen wasn't forced to listen to the gunshots that killed her son when a recording of those fatal moments was played to a jury on Tuesday. Mother and son are pictured

Jesse Baird’s mother, Helen, was not required to listen to the recording of the gunshots that killed her son as it was played to the jury on Tuesday. Mother and son are pictured

The bodies of Baird and Davies were placed inside surfboard bags and discovered eight days later at Bungonia, approximately 185km south-west of Sydney.

Mr Hatfield previously told the court that Lamarre-Condon, who was 28 at the time, had become obsessed with 26-year-old Baird and deeply jealous after Baird ended their relationship and began seeing 29-year-old Davies.

The jury heard details of Lamarre-Condon’s defence for the first time after Mr Hatfield completed his opening address on Monday.

Defence barrister John Stratton said his client went to the Paddington terrace to collect personal belongings, including jewellery, believing the property would be empty.

He allegedly disguised himself as an Uber Eats delivery driver and wore a motorcycle helmet so he would not be recognised if Baird’s flatmates or another person answered the door.

Mr Stratton said Lamarre-Condon knocked before entering when no one responded. Baird did not recognise him because he was still wearing the helmet.

“The two men struggled,” Mr Stratton told the court. “The gun went off twice, wounding Jesse Baird fatally. The gun was flung into the loungeroom.

“The accused picked up a mobile phone and began ringing Triple Zero.

Lamarre-Condon allegedly used a copied or stolen key to enter Baird's home armed with his .40 Glock 22, shot dead Baird (right) then turned the gun on Davies (left)

Lamarre-Condon allegedly entered Baird’s home using a copied or stolen key while armed with a .40 Glock 22, shooting Baird (right) before allegedly turning the weapon on Davies (left)

“The accused began walking towards the front door, and in the hallway he encountered a second man, who was later identified as Luke Davies.”

‘Mr Davies was now holding the gun.’

Mr Stratton said Lamarre-Condon grabbed Davies by the arm, pushing the pistol away from himself and towards Davies.

‘And in the struggle that followed,’ Mr Stratton told the jury, ‘Mr Davies pulled the trigger and fatally shot himself.’

Mr Stratton said of his client: ‘It’s his case that what he did was in self-defence.’

Mr Hatfield had said it was Davies who rang Triple Zero, at 9.50am, and could be heard saying, ‘Get out – f*** off,’ or something similar.

He also said the bullet which killed Davies was fired through a bedroom door, entered his left eye socket and exited the back of his head.

‘Of course, we have no direct witnesses,’ Mr Hatfield said.

As a Crown witness, Helen Baird (above) would not be allowed to sit in the public gallery of the NSW Supreme Court until after she had given her own tearful testimony

As a Crown witness, Helen Baird (above) would not be allowed to sit in the public gallery of the NSW Supreme Court until after she had given her own tearful testimony

After hearing preliminary evidence was given from the officer in charge of the investigation, Detective Sergeant Sasha Pinazza, Helen Baird was called to the stand.

This was the first time the jury had heard from anyone who knew Jesse Baird or Luke Davies and the first time they would see someone weep for one of the dead men. 

‘You are the mother of Jesse Baird?’ Ms Baird was asked. ‘That’s right,’ she said.

Ms Baird confirmed her son’s date of birth – September 4, 1997 – and that he was the third of her four children. 

She said Jesse had been raised in Victoria and moved to Brisbane when he was 19, where he worked for Network Ten.

‘He got a job on Totally Wild, as a TV presenter,’ she said.

Jesse had also been an AFL goal umpire and at the end of the 2022 football season moved to Sydney to work on the now-defunct Studio 10.

Two minutes after taking the oath, Ms Baird broke down when she was asked if she had been close to Jesse. ‘Yes, very close,’ she said, choking back tears.

Two minutes after taking the oath, Ms Baird broke down when she was asked if she had been close to Jesse. 'Yes, very close,' she said, choking back tears. Mother and son are pictured

Two minutes after taking the oath, Ms Baird broke down when she was asked if she had been close to Jesse. ‘Yes, very close,’ she said, choking back tears. Mother and son are pictured

The pair had spoken ‘all the time, every week’, with Jesse often talking about his relationships and always having been open about his sexuality.

Before moving to Sydney, Jesse had split with his partner of five or six years but the two men had remained ‘very good friends’.

‘He just wanted to make new friends and have fun,’ Ms Baird told the jury. 

Having come out of a long-term relationship, ‘he definitely didn’t want anything serious’.

Ms Baird said her son told her about meeting Lamarre-Condon and how they would go out for lunch and take trips hiking and four-wheel driving, while insisting ‘he definitely didn’t want anything serious’.

Jesse had later told his mother about Lamarre-Condon’s ‘concerning behaviour’, including removing contacts from his phone and deleting messages.

Asked whether her son believed Lamarre-Condon was becoming ‘obsessive,’ Ms Baird said: ‘Yes.’

Late in 2023, Baird told his mother he had decided he no longer wished to see Lamarre-Condon, she said.

Kourtnee Baird (above) said her brother had blocked Lamarre-Condon but he would receive messages from him such as 'you looked really good in the gym tonight'

Kourtnee Baird (above) said her brother had blocked Lamarre-Condon but he would receive messages from him such as ‘you looked really good in the gym tonight’

He had also informed her a female friend of Lamarre-Condon’s had contacted him to say his spurned sometime lover had cancer. The court has previously heard Lamarre-Condon had no such disease.

Jesse had spent Christmas 2023 with his mother in Victoria and brought down his new boyfriend. Ms Baird was happy her son had found Davies.

‘It was early days but they were both smitten with each other and they were great together,’ she said.

Jesse’s last visit with his mother had not started well, however.

‘He drove down from Sydney and when he got to my place there was something wrong with the vehicle,’ Ms Baird said.

‘It turned out that there’d been water poured into the fuel tank.’

The court has previously heard there would be evidence presented that Lamarre-Condon had tampered with Jesse’s new ute.

Ms Baird said her son and Davies grew even closer after the Christmas break.

Lamarre-Condon (above), who had previously been in a short-lived relationship with Baird, has pleaded not guilty to two counts of murder, as well as aggravated break and enter

Lamarre-Condon (above), who had previously been in a short-lived relationship with Baird, has pleaded not guilty to two counts of murder, as well as aggravated break and enter

‘Jesse messaged me and he sent me a photo of him and Luke at the Pink concert, and he’d said underneath, ‘Luke is my boyfriend’,’ she said.

‘And I sent a big love heart and said, ‘I’m just so happy for both of you’.’

Ms Baird became emotional once more, and was not required for cross-examination. She then sat in the public gallery and watched her daughter give evidence.

Kourtnee Baird had been living in her brother’s Brisbane house in 2023 after he moved to Sydney and she had ‘very much so’ stayed in touch with him.

The two were close, communicating mostly through social media, and the last time she saw her brother was Christmas Day, 2023.

Over the dinner table, Jesse told Kourtnee about Lamarre-Condon, who she had never spoken to or met.

‘Jesse said that he was fearful, that he was a NSW police officer, he had access to a weapon, to a gun,’ she said. ‘He said that he would go on his phone and block contacts from Jesse’s male friends.’

Asked how she knew that, Kourtnee answered: ‘He caught him doing it.’ 

‘Jesse told me that he would often post things on Instagram to make it out like Jesse and him were together,’ she said.

Kourtnee said her brother had blocked Lamarre-Condon but he would receive messages from him such as ‘you looked really good in the gym tonight’.

‘He was fearful, scared, shaken up a little bit,’ she said.

‘He couldn’t comprehend that someone could do these things.’

Kourtnee’s last contact with Jesse was on February 18, 2024 – the day before he was shot -– via Instagram. 

Asked if she had ever met Luke Davies, she told the jury: ‘I did not. I wish I did.’

The recording of those three gunshots heard coming from inside 60 Brown Street, Paddington will be played again later in the hearing.  

The trial, which is expected to last three months, continues before Justice Natalie Adams on Wednesday.

New York Airport Operations Resume After Northeast Tech Outage

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Flights at airports across the New York City region were operating Tuesday, though travelers continued to face delays and cancellations after a communications failure at a major air traffic control center in Philadelphia disrupted service for hours. The damaged lines were later restored.

The disruption led to hundreds of cancellations across the U.S. Northeast on Monday, including more than 600 flights arriving at or departing from Newark Liberty International Airport. Every major airport serving the New York City area was affected. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said online that clearing the backlog of delays would take time even after repairs were completed.

Early Tuesday, Newark recorded roughly 40 delays and almost 60 cancellations, according to FlightAware, a global flight-tracking and aviation data service.

The Philadelphia Federal Aviation Administration facility lost its main communications circuit Monday. Its backup fiber-optic connection was also unavailable after it was accidentally cut by workers involved in railroad construction. The failures left air traffic controllers without radar and communications capabilities for several hours.

Newark’s commercial air traffic nearly came to a halt for much of the day. Flightradar24 reported that no commercial flights landed at the airport from approximately 9:40 a.m. until shortly after 5:20 p.m. local time.

Philadelphia International Airport saw more than 200 cancellations involving incoming and outgoing flights. LaGuardia and John F. Kennedy International airports in New York were also affected, although service began returning Monday evening.

Several airlines offered passengers the option to rebook at no additional cost. The FAA urged travelers to verify their flight status before leaving for the airport.

The outage came as President Donald Trump and a number of international leaders traveled to New York for the U.N. General Assembly. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney missed a Monday event connected to the gathering because of the aviation disruptions, though his office said he reached New York later that night.

The latest technical failure occurred at the same Philadelphia FAA center linked to widespread problems at Newark last spring.

Regional air traffic control centers rely on two separate connections to transmit radar and communications data: a primary circuit and a backup line. The FAA said the primary circuit failed Monday morning, but the attempted switch to the backup revealed that the fiber-optic connection had been severed.

Duffy initially said an Amtrak construction team was responsible for the damaged line. Amtrak later identified a New Jersey Transit construction crew working in the area between Newark and New Brunswick, New Jersey.

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AP reporters Rio Yamat and Jessica Hill contributed to this report from Las Vegas.

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Florida’s Next Palm Beach: Sleepy Seaside Town Set for $2B Makeover

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For decades, Pompano Beach was regarded as an easygoing Florida coastal town where fishing vessels were more common than superyachts and homebuyers generally got more space for their money than in neighboring Palm Beach or Miami.

That image is rapidly being rewritten.

Named for the Florida pompano, a sought-after game fish found in nearby waters, the city has about 118,000 residents and is now at the center of a major development surge. More than a dozen significant real estate projects are either under construction or in the planning stages, including multimillion-dollar oceanfront condominiums and a sweeping downtown renewal.

The centerpiece is the approximately $2 billion New Downtown project, a 75-acre redevelopment expected to add millions of square feet of residential, retail, office, hotel and civic space.

According to city plans, the completed project could encompass about 4.2 million square feet, along with new public spaces and walkable areas intended to create a larger, more vibrant downtown for Pompano Beach.

The $2 billion estimate represents the anticipated value of the finished development, not a direct investment by the city. Private developers are expected to provide much of the funding.

Master developer RocaPoint Partners is leading the effort, while Suffolk has been selected to build a new City Hall and parking garage. The civic facilities are expected to become among the first major elements of the downtown redevelopment.

The City Hall and parking garage project is valued at $137 million and is intended to serve as an anchor for the broader transformation.

Pompano Beach in Florida is undergoing a dramatic transformation, with luxury towers, branded residences and a $2 billion downtown redevelopment reshaping its future

Pompano Beach in Florida is being dramatically reshaped as luxury towers, branded residences and a $2 billion downtown redevelopment chart a new course for the city

Pompano Beach is keen to avoid simply becoming another wall of glass and concrete along the Atlantic. The city has spent years developing its Fishing Village around the pier

Pompano Beach wants to avoid becoming another uninterrupted stretch of glass and concrete along the Atlantic. For years, the city has worked to build up its Fishing Village around the pier

The redevelopment is already having a noticeable impact on the surrounding property market.

High-end developers are arriving on the Pompano Beach waterfront in growing numbers, bringing brands more traditionally associated with Miami and Palm Beach.

Related Group, founded by billionaire developer Jorge Perez, has invested roughly $2.5 billion in Pompano Beach. Its projects include the completed Solemar and Casamar developments, with additional luxury properties in the pipeline.

Among them is Waldorf Astoria Residences Pompano Beach, a 28-story tower being developed in partnership with Hilton and scheduled for completion in summer 2027.

The project includes 92 residences, and more than 85 percent of the units were under contract by May, when construction reached the tower’s highest point.

Owners will have access to resort-style amenities, including a 20,000-square-foot oceanfront pool deck, spa and wellness services, 24-hour concierge assistance and in-residence dining.

The development is also the Waldorf Astoria brand’s first standalone residential project, adding another globally recognized luxury name to Pompano Beach’s expanding portfolio.

Developers see further upside in the city partly because prices remain lower than those in South Florida’s most established luxury markets.

The once-sleepy coastal city is named after the Florida pompano, a popular game fish found off the city's coast

The once-quiet coastal city takes its name from the Florida pompano, a popular game fish found off its shoreline

Before Pompano Beach became a resort and residential destination, commercial fishing was an important part of the local economy

Before Pompano Beach emerged as a resort and residential destination, commercial fishing played a central role in the local economy

Related’s first Pompano project, Solemar, sold for an average of about $900 per square foot, while the Waldorf Astoria has been selling at around $1,600 per square foot, according to Related executive Patrick Campbell.

For buyers accustomed to the eye-watering prices found elsewhere along Florida’s southeastern coast, that can make Pompano look comparatively accessible – even though its most expensive new homes are hardly bargain properties.

The Ritz-Carlton Residences has added another heavyweight hospitality brand to the area, while the W Pompano Hotel & Residences is bringing another combination of hotel and private residences to the oceanfront. 

Armani/Casa is another name attached to a Pompano project, with a small collection of luxury residences designed around the Italian fashion house’s aesthetic. 

But the city is not starting from scratch when it comes to attracting wealthy residents.

Just north of Pompano, Hillsboro Beach has long been associated with expensive oceanfront homes, while Lighthouse Point is known for its waterfront properties, private canals and boating lifestyle.

Pompano also has a long-standing connection to fishing and yachting, with access to the Intracoastal Waterway and the Bahamas helping to attract boat owners and marine businesses.

That existing community of affluent residents is now being joined by buyers looking for newer buildings, resort-style amenities and a South Florida address without necessarily paying Miami prices.

The challenge will be maintaining some of the character that made Pompano attractive in the first place.

The Waldorf Astoria Residences Pompano Beach comprises a 28-story tower with 92 homes. It marks the hotel brand's first standalone residential project

The Waldorf Astoria Residences Pompano Beach comprises a 28-story tower with 92 homes. It marks the hotel brand’s first standalone residential project

The Ritz-Carlton Residences Pompano Beach has meanwhile added another major luxury brand to the coastline, with 205 condos spread across two towers

The Ritz-Carlton Residences Pompano Beach has meanwhile added another major luxury brand to the coastline, with 205 condos spread across two towers 

The city’s Fishing Village, centered around the pier, has been developed as a waterfront destination with restaurants, shops, entertainment and public space, while officials say the New Downtown is intended to create a more walkable urban environment.

For some residents, however, the reality on the ground is still very different from the glossy renderings.

In online discussions about moving to Pompano, locals have pointed to rising home prices and the area’s continued reliance on cars, even as new apartments, restaurants and entertainment venues appear.

One longtime resident said smaller Pompano homes that once felt relatively attainable are now selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars as competition increases, while another argued that some of the newer developments have enviable access to the beach and parks but that the wider area remains difficult to navigate on foot.

That tension may become increasingly important as construction continues.

Pompano Beach is trying to become a more sophisticated destination without losing the relaxed atmosphere, fishing culture and waterfront lifestyle that set it apart from its glitzier neighbors.

With billions of dollars of development now reshaping the skyline, the sleepy beach town of the past is clearly becoming something very different – and luxury buyers are already taking notice.

Canadian Grandma Allegedly Sobbed ‘I Made a Mistake’ Before Death

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The family of an 83-year-old Canadian woman is seeking answers after she died through the country’s medical assistance in dying program, despite allegedly becoming distressed when she learned the procedure would end her life and displaying signs of cognitive decline, according to a report.

The Daily Mail reported Sunday that Brigitte Stegemann, an 83-year-old Christian grandmother, died under Canada’s physician-assisted dying program, known as Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD), on July 10.

Her granddaughter, Brigitte Kranendonk, said she had been Stegemann’s primary caregiver. As her grandmother’s physical and mental health worsened, the family decided to move her into The Pearl care home in Cannifton.

Kranendonk said Stegemann continued to have a healthy appetite even after being diagnosed with stomach cancer. She also rejected MAiD when it was initially presented as an option.

That situation reportedly changed in June, when Kranendonk left for a 10-day road trip with her husband.

Kranendonk said she stayed in regular contact with the care home during the trip. Staff told her that Stegemann had fallen and would need a wheelchair, but she said she was not initially informed of any major deterioration in her grandmother’s condition.

Near the end of the trip, on July 3, Kranendonk said she received a call saying the home planned to arrange a MAiD assessment for Stegemann. The news surprised her because, she said, her grandmother had previously made clear that she did not want an assisted death.

After returning, Kranendonk said she asked a nurse at The Pearl who had begun discussing MAiD with her grandmother.

“The nurse became very abrasive, very defensive,” Kranendonk told The Daily Mail. “She was like, ‘Well, I’m just trying to advocate for her. I’m just trying to do what’s right for her.’”

Kranendonk said she later learned that her grandmother had already undergone her first MAiD consultation before she returned from the trip.

She also alleged that Stegemann had difficulty during a mental-capacity assessment, including incorrectly answering questions about members of her own family.

Kranendonk said she attended Stegemann’s second MAiD assessment. According to her account, the doctor used “really loose terms” and did not use the words “death” or “dying.”

“She explains MAiD to my grandmother by saying: ‘We’re going to give you medicine, you’re going to feel at peace. And I just want you to know that you won’t have a bowel movement,’” Kranendonk told the outlet.

When Kranendonk interrupted to say, “She doesn’t understand what you’re saying,” the doctor allegedly turned to Stegemann and said, “We’re going to make sure you won’t have any more pain.”

The doctor reportedly determined that Stegemann was “deemed fit for MAiD, and we’re going to proceed,” The Daily Mail reported.

Kranendonk said she spoke directly with her grandmother two days before Stegemann’s death and asked whether she understood that the scheduled procedure would cause her to die.

According to Kranendonk’s account, Stegemann began to cry and said she had “made a mistake.”

Stegemann was allegedly told that she could “deny” MAiD on the day of the procedure. However, Kranendonk said she was uncertain whether her grandmother had genuinely consented and did not want to subject her to additional distress. She chose instead to spend what might have been their final days together.

Kranendonk also said the nurse administering the IV was not wearing gloves and struggled to insert it into Stegemann’s right arm. She alleged that the nurse pierced her grandmother’s arm multiple times, leaving “blood all over the place.”

The doctor then entered and told Stegemann she was there to give her “medicine.” Kranendonk said her grandmother did not respond.

“My Oma is not moving,” Kranendonk said. “She doesn’t open her eyes. She doesn’t nod. She doesn’t say anything, and the doctor just said: ‘Okay, well, I’m going to proceed.’”

Kranendonk said her grandmother was dead within 10 minutes.

Kranendonk said she wishes she would have applied for a legal injunction to stop the MAiD from occurring, but also said she was not aware she had the option.

She is appealing to the Chief Coroner’s Office in Ontario, as well as the Patient Ombudsman and Belleville Police, to investigate if what happened was legal.

According to the BBC, Canada’s MAID law, which legalized euthanasia in 2016, is responsible for one in every 20 deaths in Canada.

In a statement to Fox News Digital, Kranendonk said, “My grandmother was a vulnerable senior who was let down when the doctors and home bypassed every safeguard put in place to protect her — from assessing her mental capacity, to getting her clear, final consent before acting and the home filling out paperwork and having her sign when we were not there, and giving us copies. I will not stop until there is a full investigation into how this was allowed to happen behind closed doors.”

Mira Metter, Director of “Broken Country,” a film about the decline of the country over the last two decades, said in a statement to Fox News Digital, “What is particularly troubling about this case is that it raises questions Canadians should be asking about whether MAID’s safeguards are protecting vulnerable people as intended.”

Metter added, “A compassionate healthcare system should ensure that when someone is at their most vulnerable, every reasonable avenue for care and support has been explored before death is presented as an option. MAID may be legal in Canada, but legality cannot be the end of the conversation.”

Laura Echevarria, National Right to Life’s communications director and press secretary, told Fox News Digital in a statement, “Euthanasia and assisted suicide cross a line medicine should never cross: from caring for patients to intentionally ending their lives. The most vulnerable among us deserve protection, compassion, and care—not death presented as medical treatment. No safeguard can undo a mistake once a patient is dead.”

If you or someone you know is affected by any of the issues raised in this story, call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-TALK (8255) or text Crisis Text Line at 741741.

If you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, you can dial the 24/7 National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 988 or go to SuicidePreventionLifeline.org.

Kirk Family May Challenge Law After Police Chief’s ‘Covered’ Text

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Utah’s broad legal protections for government agencies and employees may make it challenging for Charlie Kirk’s family to bring a wrongful-death lawsuit against the state and Utah Valley University. However, a key piece of evidence cited in the family’s legal filing could help them overcome that obstacle, according to a trial lawyer and legal analyst.

“Utah law makes it very difficult for the Charlie Kirk family to proceed with a civil claim against the state and the university,” said Randolph Rice, a Maryland attorney and former prosecutor who is monitoring the case.

Rice said the Utah Governmental Immunity Act protects government bodies and their employees from many lawsuits seeking financial damages.

Charlie Kirk killed at Utah university event

Law enforcement officers work at Utah Valley University, where U.S. conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, was shot and killed during an event, in Orem, Utah, U.S. September 10, 2025. (REUTERS/Jim Urquhart)

A similar issue arose in a lawsuit brought by Gabby Petito’s family against the Moab Police Department. The family claimed officers acted negligently during a traffic stop involving Brian Laundrie, two weeks before he killed Petito. A judge dismissed the case under governmental immunity protections, and the family is appealing that decision.

Charlie Kirk at UVU in the courtyard throwing hats to the crowd in front of the TPUSA tent where he was later killed

Charlie Kirk throws hats to the crowd after arriving at Utah Valley University on September 10, 2025 in Orem, Utah. Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, was speaking at his “American Comeback Tour” when he was shot in the neck and killed. (Trent Nelson/The Salt Lake Tribune/Getty Images)

“Generally speaking, they are immune from any type of civil suit, meaning money damages,” Rice said. But he noted that the law may contain an avenue for an exception.

Kirk’s family filed a notice of claim last week, a required step before filing a lawsuit. The filing alleges that Utah Valley University, the state and several officials failed to adequately secure the event, despite acknowledging responsibility for rooftop security, and that those failures contributed to Kirk’s death.

The filing says UVU Police Chief Jeffrey Long allegedly reassured Turning Point USA organizers, “I got you covered,” after they expressed concerns about access to rooftops overlooking the campus courtyard.

Ledge of Loose Center roof

Area near the roof of the Loose Center on the campus of Utah Valley University. (Stepheny Price/News Media)

Rice said the alleged text message could prove significant in the immunity dispute because Kirk was killed by a sniper firing from a rooftop.

Charlie Kirk speaks at Utah Valley University before fatal shooting.

Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk spoke during his “American Comeback Tour” at Utah Valley University on Sept. 10, 2025, in Orem, Utah. Kirk was fatally shot while appearing at the event. (Trent Nelson/The Salt Lake Tribune/Getty Images)

“What they’re going to try to do is, and I’m guessing this, is they’re going to say, look, because of the fact that they detrimentally relied on that, we’re not bound by the Governmental Immunity Act,” Rice said.

“That goes away or we get around that. We pierce that veil and therefore we can now go after the school, the police chief, the government agencies, because we detrimentally relied on the text message and that assurance that that rooftop was going to be protected.”

Witness in the Charlie Kirk murder pretrial hearing

Sgt. Jennifer Faumuina, of the Utah Department of Public Safety, motions toward a map of the Utah Valley University campus during a preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson, who is accused in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, at the Fourth District Courthouse in Provo, Utah, Thursday, July 9, 2026 (Spenser Heaps/AP via Pool)

The notice of claim further alleges that officers were not physically stationed at the site and that no one was monitoring security camera feeds in real time as the suspected gunman moved through the area.

Attorneys for 23-year-old Tyler Robinson entered a not-guilty plea on his behalf during his Sept. 1 arraignment. If convicted of aggravated murder, the most serious charge, Robinson could face the death penalty.

Tyler Robinson, charged with killing Charlie Kirk appears in court

Tyler Robinson, accused of the murder of Charlie Kirk, appears during a hearing in Fourth District Court in Provo, Utah, Thursday, December, 11, 2025. (Rick Egan/The Salt Lake Tribune via Pool)

“His murder was entirely preventable and, in fact, would not have happened had the State of Utah and UVU followed through on their stated security promises, which included protecting the rooftops surrounding the quad where Charlie was speaking,” said Brett Parkinson, an attorney for Kirk’s family. “Those failures not only robbed Charlie Kirk of his life, but also robbed his family of their husband, father, son, and brother, with impacts that will compound for the rest of their lives.”

Skye Lazaro, a Salt Lake City attorney also reviewing the case, told News Media that she could not determine with certainty whether Long’s text message would overcome the immunity barrier. She said, however, that it could strengthen the family’s position if they move forward with a lawsuit.

“Utah has broad government immunity laws that specifically protects government agencies and employees from liability for someone else’s criminal actions, even when they fail to perform their job functions,” she said. “That being said, these cases often get settled out of court for various reasons.”

Another Packed Migrant Mega-Dinghy Sets Off for Britain From Normandy

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An overcrowded mega-dinghy carrying about 50 migrants has left a beach near Bayeux in northern France bound for England, accompanied by a full maritime escort.

The unusually large inflatable boat departed from Port-en-Bessin on the Normandy coast shortly before 10am on Monday.

Ouest France reported that a further 11 people boarded at Côte Fleurie, around 30 miles farther east, before the vessel turned towards the English Channel.

Acting under the French maritime prefecture, four SNSM lifeboats — France’s equivalent of the RNLI — were sent to monitor the dinghy. They accompanied the tugboat Abeille Liberté after it joined the operation on Monday morning.

More than 24 hours later, the vessel remained at sea and was still believed to be travelling towards Britain.

“This dinghy is monitored by assets coordinated by MRCC Gris-Nez within its search and rescue region, as part of its search and rescue mission and in response to the obligations of international law and the law of the sea,” a maritime prefecture spokesman told the Daily Mail.

Authorities provide such escorts because the journey from this stretch of the French coast to the UK is considerably longer than crossings launched near Calais or Dunkirk. The route can cover up to 100 miles — roughly four times the distance between Dover and Calais.

A local rescue-services spokesperson said the migrant dinghy was “in a very bad way” and sitting dangerously low in the water, powered by only one small outboard motor.

“The sea was calm, and weather conditions were good, but the decision was taken to escort the boat, without intervening,” the spokesperson said.

File photo of a migrant dinghy leaving Gravelines, France on Monday. People smugglers are moving their activities further west to avoid detection

File photo of a migrant dinghy leaving Gravelines, France on Monday. People smugglers are moving their activities further west to avoid detection

The source said the operation was focused on protecting those at sea rather than stopping the boat from reaching the United Kingdom.

Currents and winds initially pushed the dinghy along the French coastline instead of directly out into the Channel, he said.

“Gendarmes were also involved in monitoring the boat from the shoreline and — at around 3pm — there was a movement towards English waters,” the source added.

The departure from Port-en-Bessin — about 160 miles from Calais and 180 miles from Dunkirk, the traditional launch points for migrant crossings — appears to support suspicions that people smugglers are shifting operations westwards to evade detection.

By dawn on Tuesday, authorities had received no further reports on the dinghy’s position, although it was believed to remain at sea.

Daniel Thomas, a hard-right anti-migrant activist who uses the name “Danny Tommo” online, said on social media that he was heading into the Channel to locate the vessel.

On Tuesday, he posted a YouTube livestream showing himself aboard a high-speed boat at sea.

“We’re going to track it, we’re going to get to it, we’re going to document that handover, see who it is that’s picking them up,” he said earlier.

He also said activists from the anti-migrant group Patriot Platform would be mobilised to intercept any vessel carrying migrants back towards Britain.

Thomas dubbed the operation “Portsmouth 2.0”, referencing clashes earlier this month between masked activists and police in the city after the Coastguard and Border Force escorted a dinghy carrying 140 migrants into port.

‘Our boys and our ladies will be headed in that direction,’ he said. ‘There comes a time where you’ve just got to get things done and this is about getting things done.’ 

The crossing comes after a dinghy carrying up to seven migrants evaded French and Home Office patrols in the Channel and landed on a rocky shoreline near Folkestone, Kent yesterday.

Five people were detained and passed to Border Security Command. It is the first undetected landing in a year. The Home Office has labelled it an ‘isolated’ incident.

Defence minister Luke Pollard dismissed suggestions the government had lost control of the border.

‘Our borders are secure, but we want to make them stronger,’ he said this morning (Tuesday).

Asked by LBC Radio how the boat slipped through, Mr Pollard said a Home Office investigation was under way to determine what had happened, without going into detail.

He also said: ‘We’re aware that the boat that got through, everyone has been detained on it.

‘But because crossings are the lowest in six years, because asylum backlog is being cut, and because we’re closing asylum hotels, we know what we’re doing is working.

‘But where there are challenges in that system, we need to get it right because this is not just a matter of public confidence.

‘This is a clear political objective that we have set as a government to secure our borders, and where there are gaps in that, we will close them.’

Police in France are continuing to crack down on attempted migrant crossings: action yesterday saw officers slash a dinghy with a knife and drag its outboard motor from the water.

On Friday, a press briefing was held in which the prefect of Seine-Maritime and Normandy, Jean-Benoît Albertini, confirmed a ‘significant’ rise in dinghy departures along the north-west coast of France.

The migrants are most often from Sudan, Syria, Kurdistan and Iraq, BFM reported. Additional resources are being allocated, funded by the bilateral agreement between Britain and France to fund French border policing along the coast.

Smugglers’ desperate searches for new routes in order to stay under the radar have consequences for Britons greeted by the unexpected arrivals. 

Enforcement action along established casting off points around Dover and Calais has seen police slash dinghies to thwart migrants' journeys

Enforcement action along established casting off points around Dover and Calais has seen police slash dinghies to thwart migrants’ journeys 

Efforts by law enforcement to disrupt the supply chain for smaller boats have forced smugglers to load more people onto bigger craft. 

As well as moving west, those putting migrants onto boats bound for Britain – charging around £2,000 to each one – have also turned to ‘mega-dinghies’, some capable of carrying more than 100 migrants at a time.

Earlier this month, a mega-dinghy carrying 140 migrants reached the UK from Normandy after what was believed to be the longest-ever migrant Channel crossing.

The 46ft craft was shadowed by five French rescue boats and two helicopters in case it got into difficulty.

It completed a then-unprecedented 70-mile English Channel voyage to Britain in around 14 hours, before reaching Portsmouth.

Scores of anti-migrant protesters tried to prevent the boat landing on Eastney Beach, but failed.

The launch site, close to Utah beach, where thousands of Allied troops landed in France on D-Day in 1944, was some 170 miles from Calais as the crow flies.

Some 17,480 migrants have arrived after crossing the Channel by boat so far this year, including 5,011 since Andy Burnham became Prime Minister. The 2026 total is down 46 per cent on the same point last year.

Isaac Heeney’s Fiancée Steffie Waters Removes Him From Instagram Posts

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AFL WAG Steffie Waters has dramatically overhauled her Instagram profile, removing fiancé Isaac Heeney from the photos prominently displayed on her account.

Waters appeared to reorganise her social media feed on Tuesday as scrutiny continues over the Sydney Swans sexual assault allegations that emerged last month.

Images featuring the 30-year-old footballer have been pushed deep into photo carousels, while several others appear to have been deleted altogether, leaving no obvious trace of Heeney on the main grid.

The earliest remaining visible reference to Heeney is a video uploaded in January 2024, although newer photographs of the player can still be found within carousel posts published this year.

Before the latest changes, Heeney featured heavily across Waters’ Instagram page, which had served as a public record of their relationship and shared life.

Her recent public posts now focus largely on friends and solo activities rather than her relationship with the Swans star.

AFL WAG Steffie Waters has done a massive edit on her Instagram page, removing fiancé Isaac Heeney, 30, from her public-facing photos on the account. Both pictured

AFL WAG Steffie Waters has significantly edited her Instagram account, removing fiancé Isaac Heeney, 30, from the photographs displayed publicly on her page. Both pictured

The social media changes follow Waters’ decision to delete a photograph announcing her engagement to Heeney, amid the continuing fallout from the Sydney Swans scandal.

Her decision sparked speculation about whether the couple’s planned wedding will proceed as the investigation into the sexual assault allegations develops.

The engagement photograph, posted in October last year, showed the couple smiling as they shared the news, with Waters displaying her striking diamond ring.

At that stage, Waters continued to feature other moments with Heeney, including a May photograph of the pair having a drink together on the beach.

‘Happy 30th birthday to this boy. Can’t wait to be your wife,’ Waters wrote in the caption.

The deletion marked a significant change for Waters. Earlier this month, she had already removed the couple’s engagement announcement from the pinned section at the top of her Instagram profile, taking away one of the most visible indications of their relationship.

Waters appeared to do a reshuffle of her social media posts on Tuesday amid the ongoing fallout from the Sydney Swans sexual assault allegations last month. Pictured: Waters' Instagram page before the reshuffle

She buried images of Heeney, 30, in carousels of other photos and removed a few more, purging her forward-facing grid of any sign of the footy player. Pictured: Waters' Instagram page after the reshuffle

Waters appeared to reorganise her Instagram posts on Tuesday as the Sydney Swans continue to face fallout from last month’s sexual assault allegations. Images of Heeney, 30, were moved into carousels or removed, clearing him from the main grid. Pictured: Waters’ Instagram page before (L) and after (R) the changes

The first sign of Heeney on her page is a video which was posted in January 2024, though there are more recent photos of him buried in carousels from this year

A video posted in January 2024 is now the first visible sign of Heeney on the page, although more recent images remain hidden within carousel posts from this year

Heeney and four other Sydney Swans players — Chad Warner, Riley Bice, Nick Blakey and James Jordon — have been stood down for the rest of the 2026 AFL season. The club determined that the players breached its standards after staying out late, drinking and bringing women back to the Pullman East Melbourne hotel in the early hours of Monday, August 17.

Adult entertainers were later reported to have been brought to the hotel during the gathering, while Victoria Police investigate an allegation of indecent assault said to have taken place in one of the rooms.

Earlier this month, reports said police were preparing to interview the five Swans players as the investigation moved into a fresh phase.

Heeney and Waters announced their engagement in October last year after he proposed during a romantic getaway in French Polynesia.

The couple shared several affectionate photographs from the trip, including images of Waters showing off her engagement ring beneath the caption: ‘Beyond grateful.’

Meanwhile, Heeney has deleted his Instagram page altogether.

It comes after Waters deleted her and Heeney's engagement photo from her social media page amid the ongoing fallout from the Sydney Swans scandal

It comes after Waters deleted her and Heeney’s engagement photo from her social media page amid the ongoing fallout from the Sydney Swans scandal

The latest social media changes come after Waters was photographed in tears without her engagement ring after fleeing to Noosa amid the scandal.

The absence of the ring immediately sparked speculation that the couple’s relationship had come to an end.

However, a relative subsequently shut down the split rumours, saying that the pair were still a couple.

The relative said the pair had ‘remained in contact’ and ‘had not ended either their relationship or their engagement’. 

They also explained why Waters’ ring was missing, saying it had been taken to a jeweller for repairs after the stone fell out.

Three women involved in the night at the Pullman Hotel in Melbourne have made allegations of sexual assault and obtained legal representation, with potential civil action also reportedly being considered.

Police have not charged anyone over the allegations and the investigation remains ongoing.

The players have denied any criminal wrongdoing.

Prominent Melbourne criminal lawyer Tony Hargreaves has been called in to represent the players.

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RHOSLC Star Meredith Marks Addresses Macklemore Row, Palestine Stance

RHOSLC’s Meredith Marks Reacts to Macklemore Controversy and Clarifies Stance on Palestine, Plus She Tells Donald Trump to “Stop the Grifting"

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Meredith Marks shared her political opinions in a candid interview Friday.

The 54-year-old Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star was asked about entertainers—including singer Macklemore, 43, who recently shouted “Free Palestine” during a concert—using their platforms to make political statements. Meredith took the opportunity to criticize President Donald Trump, 80, delivering a pointed version of her signature phrase: “You can leave!” She also addressed her position on Palestine.

Meredith discussed Macklemore’s remarks while playing “Bump It or Dump It” with The Recount on September 18. The question also referenced the musician’s removal from Ed Sheeran’s U.S. tour and whether performers should speak out politically despite the possible impact on their careers.

“I think that’s kind of a mini bump,” Meredith said. “I think that’s a personal decision. I would not personally be expressing political views at something that was meant to be entertainment. I just think that’s not my thing. But to each his own on that one.”

When asked whether she would pay $80,000—the price reportedly charged at some fundraisers—for a photograph with President Trump, Meredith made her answer clear: She would not spend anything.

“We’re dumping it. You’d have to pay me to take the photo, and I still wouldn’t take it with him,” she said.

Meredith also weighed in on Trump’s efforts to rename landmarks, including the Gulf of America and Lake America.

“We gotta dump it. It’s a weird naming obsession going on, and yes, I still refer to the airport in Palm Beach as Palm Beach International [instead of President Donald J. Trump International Airport] as well,” she said.

Asked what she would say to the president if given the chance, Meredith offered a blunt response: “Stop the grifting. Everything is like a manipulation. How about just, ‘You can leave.’”

Meredith, whose 27-year-old son Brooks Marks is gay, was equally direct when discussing politicians who oppose LGBTQ rights.

“We’re calling that out. We’re bumping it,” she said. “I think it’s an important issue … Obviously, it’s a community that I love and care about, but above all that, it’s not just about LGBTQ; it’s about people having the right to exist and be who they are. Period.”

During the conversation, Meredith was also asked whether political differences could lead her to end a friendship.

“I hate to say it, but sometimes you have to bump it on that. There are certain things I just can’t accept,” she explained. “I think it depends on what the political issues are. If we’re talking about, like, human rights, yeah, we’re done. There’s nowhere to go.”

After the interview was shared, Meredith clarified her position on Palestine and the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas in a comment.

“For those of you who are unclear about my very clear stance that I have said several times, I do not believe in the taking of innocent lives. Not Palestinians, not Jews, not Israeli’s, or anybody else. I believe in spreading love, not hatred,” she wrote.

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Princess Diana’s Brother Charles Spencer’s Memoir Reveals Bombshells About King Charles and More

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Charles Spencer is lifting the veil on the royal family.

In his new book, Swan Song: Diana, My Sister, released today, Princess Diana’s younger brother makes a series of explosive claims about the royals. Among them are allegations about King Charles III’s reportedly insensitive treatment of his former wife and his reaction to her death.

Ahead of the book’s publication, Charles issued a pointed response, suggesting that grief had affected Spencer’s judgment and recollection.

“His Majesty is mindful that the pain of fraternal grief can cloud reason, affect judgment and color memory in ways others do not recognize, even many years after such a loss,” a representative told Page Six.

Here are the major claims outlined in Spencer’s book.

Two of Diana and Spencer’s nannies were allegedly physically abusive towards them

Spencer alleges that he and Diana endured physical abuse from two nannies during their childhood. He says the siblings never told their parents, John Spencer, the 8th Earl Spencer, and Frances Spencer.

According to Spencer, one nanny struck their outstretched hands with a wooden spoon. He describes another nanny as more severe, alleging that she sometimes slammed their heads against a concrete wall outside the nursery bathroom.

“The result was dizzying, throbbing pain and bewilderment,” he writes.

Even so, Spencer says he and Diana were not “broken by the cruelty” and remained “strong-willed children.”

Charles allegedly sounded “giddily elated” when Diana died

Spencer also recalls a phone call with Charles shortly after Diana died in a 1997 car crash in Paris, France. He alleges that the prince sounded “giddily elated — like a lottery winner.”

He further claims that Charles was “strangely matter-of-fact” when saying he had already told his and Diana’s sons, Prince William and Prince Harry, that their mother had died.

“Looking back now, I suspect the prince’s first reaction must have been to think more of how this event might free him to marry the woman he loved, rather than appreciating the loss of one he did not,” Spencer writes. He is referring to Camilla, now Queen Camilla, whom Charles married in 2005.

Princess Diana’s dad allegedly had a “romantic connection” with Queen Elizabeth

Spencer also claims that his and Diana’s father once had a “romantic connection” with Charles’ mother, Queen Elizabeth II, before she married Prince Philip in 1947.

He alleges that Lord Mountbatten, Philip’s uncle, intervened and personally ordered John Spencer to end the relationship, calling it “nonsense” that had to stop immediately.

“Perhaps Mountbatten was clearing the way for his nephew, Prince Philip,” Spencer writes.

Spencer says his father followed the order but later “loathed Mountbatten with a passion.”

Elizabeth’s shocking six-word response to hearing about Diana’s death

He also draws a comparison between what he describes as Charles’ detached response to Diana’s death and Queen Elizabeth’s alleged initial reaction to news of her daughter-in-law’s car accident: “What is she up to now?”

Spencer notes that the Queen reportedly had not yet been told that Diana had died when she made the comment.

Charles allegedly wanted his mom to abdicate the throne so he could be king

The book further claims that people close to Charles believed he wanted Elizabeth to abdicate because he was frustrated by “being a middle-age man still wanting to reign.”

Spencer alleges that the reported succession tensions spilled into the royal household, creating friction between Elizabeth’s staff and Charles’ staff during Diana’s funeral.

Spencer also alleges that on the day of his dad’s funeral, Charles told him he was “lucky” that his father died early. John died at age 68 of a heart attack in 1992.

He alleges Charles told him during an akward conversation, “You’re just so lucky — you know, inheriting when you’re so young!”

He claims Charles then proceeded to throw a tantrum about his parents treating him like a child despite him being 43 years old, even allegedly stomping his foot in emphasis.

Charles allegedly vowed Diana would be forgotten ‘soon enough’

Spencer claims Charles later threw another tantrum years later over him not wanting William and Harry to walk behind Diana’s coffin at her funeral, which Charles wanted them to do.

He claims they had an angry phone call, in which he accused the Spencer family of having “no sense of duty.”

“He unleashed down the phone what I have always taken to be his pent-up contempt for Diana, and his horror that the world was so bowled over by her death,” Spencer writes. “’Rest assured,’” he hissed, ‘we’ll forget her soon enough!’”

William and Harry were 15 years old and 12 years old, respectively, at the time, and ended up walking behind their mother’s coffin alongside Charles, Spencer and Philip.

Diana made an eerie comment just 2 months ahead of her death

Spencer says the last time he saw Diana was on her 36th birthday, when they ran into each other unexpectedly while having dinner at London’s Tate Gallery.

He writes that earlier that day, Diana made a comment about her home looking like a funeral parlor after a family member gave her flowers for her birthday.

He recalls Diana joking, “I’ve been so lucky! My house is so full of gorgeous flowers that the place looks like a funeral parlour!”

Spencer then observes, “Now here I was, just two months later, trying to write something suitable for her funeral.”

Diana wanted to pull out of marrying Charles but was forced to go through with it by their dad

Spencer writes Diana was heartbroken when it became obvious Charles did not love her ahead of their wedding day.

He alleges that during Charles’ younger brother Prince Andrew’s 21st birthday celebration, instead of Charles spending time with her, he ignored her, leaving Diana “deeply hurt, confused and increasingly concerned.”

After the party, Spencer claims Diana told their dad that she could not marry Charles when he obviously didn’t love her, but he told her it was impossible to pull out at that point.

Later, Spencer alleges that Diana confided in a close friend that the day before her 1981 wedding to Charles, her husband-to-be bluntly told her that while he was happy to marry her, he was not in love with her.

“Diana had to absorb that hammer blow while also feeling certain that Prince Charles was entering their marriage with his heart elsewhere,” he writes.

Diana allegedly contemplated suicide

Spencer muses that like him, his sister suffered from Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD), which he describes as intense emotional pain at being rejected or criticized.

He notes that negative tabloid reports greatly affected her and claims that in her later years, she drove herself multiple times to Beachy Head, the highest cliff in England, “while contemplating ending it all.”

He says her love for her sons is what stopped her.

He believes Diana had undiagnosed ADHD

Aside from Spencer believing Diana had undiagnosed RSD, he also says he’s “convinced” she had Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).

He notes that Diana struggled with learning difficulties in the classroom growing up, but was never tested for anything.

He writes that as early as kindergarten, her teacher noted that she had a short attention span and was unable to focus. He says that her later teachers made similar observations about her, noting she had difficulty concentrating which “hampers her progress.”

Diana allegedly slapped her dad after he secretly married his second wife

Spencer alleges that Diana was so angry that their dad married his second wife, Raine McCourquodale, that she slapped him in the face.

According to Spencer, he and Diana had accepted their dad’s previous girlfriends after their parents divorced in 1969, but they “intensely disliked” Raine, whom he calls a “gold-digger.”

He alleges that after Diana found out about the 1976 secret marriage from reading a newspaper, she slapped their dad and said, “That’s for the pain you’re causing us all” — referring to her and her siblings.

Spencer alleges that after their dad suffered a stroke in 1978 and his health deteriorated, their stepmom blocked his children from him, instructing his nurses to stop them from seeing him.

One of Diana’s post-divorce suitors was allegedly an American politician

Though he doesn’t name names, Spencer says Diana told him that “one of her powerful, ageing American suitors” wanted her as the ultimate trophy wife.

The politician allegedly told Diana that he for sure would win the presidency if she married him.

Charles writes that Diana was “titillated” by the idea of possibly becoming the First Lady of the US more than she was excited about the “elderly” man trying to win her affections.

One of Charles’ right-hand men allegedly leaked lied about him to the press

Spencer claims that a friend who runs a PR agency told him that one of Charles’ right-hand men frequently asked him to spread lies about him to newspapers.

He also accuses a powerful editor of encouraging the outlet as well as other newspapers to attack him with negative press any chance they got.

Spencer says the stories damaged his reputation to the point where he repeatedly thought about suicide.

He writes, “I fell back on one thought: Diana had had it much, much worse, and she had kept going.”

After Charles, 77, hit back the allegations in the book, Spencer, 62, doubled down on his claims in his interview with the BBC, insisting he’s “telling the truth” about Charles’ alleged reaction to Diana’s death.

“I can tell you here and now, those are exactly the words he said,” he stressed.

“I was hyper alert to what he was saying and those are precisely the words that he said and I promise that to you now. Genuinely, that is what he said. I don’t hear him saying he didn’t say that.”